Concise Minutes - Finance Committee


Meeting Venue: Hybrid - Committee

room 4 Ty Hywel and video conference

via Zoom

Meeting date: Wednesday, 20 September 2023

Meeting time: 09.30 - 11.58
This meeting can be viewed
on Senedd TV at:
http://senedd.tv/en/13475


Hybrid

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Attendance

Category

Names

Members of the Senedd:

Peredur Owen Griffiths MS (Chair)

Peter Fox MS

Mike Hedges MS

Rhianon Passmore MS

Witnesses:

Adrian Crompton, Auditor General for Wales, Audit Wales, Auditor General for Wales, Audit Wales

Dr Kathryn Chamberlain, Audit Wales

Kevin Thomas, Audit Wales

Ann-Marie Harkin, Audit Wales

Jonathan Athow, HM Revenue & Customs

Katherine Gross-Niklaus, HM Revenue & Customs

Committee Staff:

Owain Roberts (Clerk)

Cerian Jones (Second Clerk)

Mike Lewis (Deputy Clerk)

Owen Holzinger (Researcher)

Christian Tipples (Researcher)

 

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Registration (09.00-09.15)

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Private Pre-meeting (09.15-09.30)

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1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1 The Chair welcomed Members to the meeting of the Finance Committee.

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2       Paper(s) to note

2.1 The papers were noted.

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2.1   PTN 1 - Letter from the Minister for Finance and Local Government: Budget timetable 2024-25 - 12 September 2023

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3       Audit Wales – Scrutiny of the Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23 and the Annual Plan 2024-25: Evidence session

3.1 The Committee took evidence on Audit Wales’s Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23 and the Annual Plan 2024-25 from the Auditor General for Wales; Chair of the Wales Audit Office; and Audit Wales officials.

 

3.2 Audit Wales agreed to provide:

 

·         Further detail on the staff turnover rate across the organisation during the previous twelve months, including a breakdown of the roles of those departing staff and the number of qualified audit staff leaving the organisation within that time.

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4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 (ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the remainder of this meeting

4.1 The motion was agreed.

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5       Audit Wales - Supplementary Estimate 2023-24

5.1 The Committee discussed Audit Wales’s Supplementary Estimate 2023-24 with the Auditor General for Wales; Chair of the Wales Audit Office; and Audit Wales officials.

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6       Technical briefing on administering WRIT: HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC)

6.1 The Committee received a technical briefing on administering WRIT from Jonathan Athow, Director General of Customer Strategy & Tax Design, HMRC; and Katherine Gross-Niklaus, Senior Policy Advisor for Devolved Income Tax, HMRC.

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7       Technical briefing on administering WRIT: HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) - Consideration of evidence

7.1 The Committee considered the evidence received.

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8       Audit Wales – Scrutiny of the Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23 and the Annual Plan 2024-25 / Supplementary Estimate 2023-24: Consideration of evidence

8.1 The Committee considered the evidence received and agreed to write to Audit Wales regarding the Annual Report and Accounts 2022-23 and the Supplementary Estimate 2023-24.

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9       Landfill Disposals Tax (Wales) Act 2017: Independent review

9.1 The Committee considered the issues arising from the independent review of Landfill Disposals Tax and agreed to write to the Minister for Finance and Local Government requesting a further update.

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10    Update on the Interparliamentary Finance Committee Forum

10.1 The Committee considered the paper on the Interparliamentary Finance Committee Forum.

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11    Update on the Senedd Cymru (Members and Elections) Bill - Expert Adviser and evidence sessions

11.1 The Committee considered the paper on the scrutiny arrangements of the financial implications of The Senedd Cymru (Members and Elections) Bill.

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